Bill, You Say What?

The 'race' issue seemed to get under Bill's skin yesterday:


In a further indication of just how perturbed Bill Clinton has been with this campaign, Bill made the following accusation against the Obama camp on a local Philadelphia radio show yesterday: "I think that they played the race card on me. We now know, from memos from the campaign that they planned to do it along."

It's not entirely clear what "memos" Bill might be referring to. The closest such memo in existence is one the Obama campaign put out a while ago, accusing the Clinton people of playing the race card on various occasions.

After the interview had officially ended, but while his microphone was still on, Bill upped the ante: "I don't think I should take any shit from anybody on that, do you?"

Eric Kleefeld - Bill Clinton: Obama Camp Memos Reveal Plan To Play The Race Card On Me TPM 22 Apr 08


On first impression somebody's just not letting it go.  I thought this probably would get smothered by election result reporting but interesting nonetheless.  Not arguing the point but just noting the exchange, OK?  But today the issue cropped up again, as you imagine it might:


Today in Pittsburgh, Clinton was asked what he meant by saying the Obama campaign was playing the race card on him.

"When did I say that, and to whom did I say that?" Clinton asked, per ABC News' Sarah Amos.

"On WHYY radio yesterday," he was told by an NBC/National Journal reporter.

"No, no, no," Clinton said. "That's not what I said. You always follow me around and play these little games, and I'm not going to play your games today. This is a day about election day. Go back and see what the question was, and what my answer was. You have mischaracterized it to get another cheap story to divert the American people from the real urgent issues before us, and I choose not to play your game today. Have a nice day."

Huh?

That's exactly what he said.

"I said what I said," Clinton said. "You can go back and look at the interview and if you will be real honest you will also report what the question was and what the answer was.  But I'm not helping you."

Jake Tapper - Revisionism In Record Time ABC 22 Apr 08

If there's anything I've learned from a close following of the rhetoric in this election cycle it's to expect a certain Orwellian artistic freedom in the spin of surrogates and their subsequent explanations of egregious characterisations of their opponents or the truth.  But doesn't this threaten to set a new gold standard for outright denial or revisionism?  Or maybe even draw aside the curtain and show us the mere mortal who is furiously working the controls behind the scenes?  I look forward with delicious anticipation to the creative writing challenge this presents to Hillary supporters.  Go for it and best of luck to you all.



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Bill just can't let it go (2.00 / 0)


   this is no longer his time...it's his wife's campaign, not his. Me me me Bill just has to back off.

  what was that shit he claimed about Obama memos playing the race card against him? Any evidence..nope we're just supposed to take Bill's unbiased word for it.

   The man needs a nap.


by southernman on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 02:39:59 AM EST

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The thing is he than did a credible impression of a person who had never mentioned it in the first place.  Do only ex-presidents get to do that?  Is it part of the honorarium or can anyone play?


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 02:43:35 AM EST
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There was a credible discussion in another thread about the high incidence of memory loss and brain damage as a result of undergoing a bypass.  Looking at those two quotes, I sort of believe it.


by rfahey22 on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 03:03:37 AM EST

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The Clintons have a trademark on revisionism and selective memory, havn't you figured that out yet? Do or say whatever it takes to win, deal with the fallout later.

That whole Jesse Jackson comment was probably the only outright play of the "race card" in the campaign. I don't think Bill is racist, far from it, but I certainly believe he was race baiting and trying to tar Barack as the black candidate. Unfortunately I think some in the Obama campaign and among his supporters took the race card argument way, way too far. Shaheen's comments about drug dealing was crassly personal, not racist. Dito with Bob Johnson about drug use. Bill's fairytale characterization was a false attack on Barack's Iraq war position, not racist. Hillary's comments about MLK and Johnson was unwise, not racist. Ferraro's comment about why Barack is winning was wrong, not racist.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 03:13:07 AM EST

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come on, enough with the brain farts from the obama crowd!! There was nothing racist about the Jesse Jackson comment to begin with. Pls go ahead and take a look at the SC vote % for Obama and you would find that he won 78% of the AA vote (which was 55% of the total vote) and only 24% of caucasian vote (44% of the total). And go look up exit polls for Jesse jackson in 1988 and you would find that he too won handily among AAs and did worse than Obama did among Caucasians. However in SC, in 1988 there were 3 or 4 viable candidates splitting the votes and hence Jackson doing worse than Obama among caucasians is no surprise.

If anything this was an attempt by Bill (I should say clumsy one) to explain that Obama's large margin of victory is due to lop sided AA vote. That is absolutely the truth. The media kept claiming that SC was a landslide. If it was, it was absolutely due to the lopsided AA vote for Obama and hence the absolute truth. Edwards got 2% and hillary got the rest of the AA vote while the AAs made 55% of the electorate. Does that minimize the win? Not really, since Obama will take delegates any which way he can get. But himself or his surrogates subsequent claims of landslide victory in a southern state and thus him being very viable in the all important southern states was just baloney, since the AAs make about 30% of the electorate in a general election and about 15% of the 30% actually ended up voting for republicans in 2004. So if you take away the 44% republicans from the total electorate, Obama would lose by a landslide in a southern state like SC and doesnt point to his southern state strength at all, even from a purely dem primary perspective.

So Bill Clinton was just 100% right in his statement, although he made tje comments to dismiss the large margin of victory which wasnt a smart strategy to begin with.


by pdxarch on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 04:17:58 AM EST
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So no attempt at placing the latest sleight-of-hand into any rational context?  I'm disappointed.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 04:31:21 AM EST
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OK. I will take that as you saying "I dont have a substantive reply, against the numbers you put up there and hence I avoid the real issue". I guess numbers and facts are too stubborn to refute.


by pdxarch on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:22:20 AM EST
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Honestly I have no idea what you are getting at about 'numbers' and your personal attack is unwelcome.  Wasn't Bill's remarks, from memory, the day before the election, anyhow?  And as I said in the diary I am not inviting a debate over Bill's remarks in the first place, we have done this ad nauseum and it changes nothing of the widespread perception that, yes, indeed, he was comparing Obama's candidacy to that of Jesse Jackson's which was constrained by issues of race.

And you still didn't explain the recent remarks of Bill's on the subject, the subject of the actual diary, in fact no Hillary supporter has dared to try.


by Shaun Appleby on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 02:18:38 AM EST
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I wasnt responding to the recent remarks of Bill, but only to the post just I was replying to.

I dont know what Bill meant. But I have no doubts obama campaign and his surrogates want to make "racist" noise as soon as a state with big AA population comes up. Here is what I have observed ever since NH. As soon as a state primary or caucus that has large minority votes come into play, you start hearing all over the shrillosphere and the media "Bill plays the race card, Bill plays the race card" and obama is the victim thing. This never happens right before a state with mostly majority population. But often just in time for the AA votes. In particular in the case of SC, that was the first time Obama needed to peel away AA votes from clintons who were until that point in time still very beloved by the AA community. Anyone with a half a brain can figure out that in order to strip the AA vote, they had to accuse Bill/Hillary of racism and you can see that pattern in multiple other places. If this is what Bill meant as Obama playing race card, this has also been discussed amply in the past and I fully agree. It makes no logical sense for clintons to even play the race card right before SC, since it has a huge proportion of AA voters who decide the state. After spending years close to AA population and cultivating a connection to those voters, they destroy that just in time for the biggest AA voting bloc to vote. Does this even make sense to you? Think about it. Even a novice politician doesnt make that kind of stupid mistake. The reality was that Obama camp needed to peel AA voters in just in time and so they essentially accused every remark the clintons made as racists hoping something would stick. and of couse something does, if the media co-operates.


by pdxarch on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:20:13 AM EST
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Ya' think?  I notice no-one even tried to spin Bill's comments, which is probably wise.  They speak for themselves.  Ignoring them is undoubtedly the best strategy at this stage.  I guess the same applies to your comment but I just couldn't resist.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 11:38:34 AM EST


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